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  2. 8546 stuck around until April 2007. You're correct about 8553! 8553 got a rebuild in early 2002, while 8546 got a full rebuild around late 2003 if I recall correctly! It wouldn't have made sense for it to retire in 2005 unless it got into a major enough accident. 🙂
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  4. Any benefit to the full rooftop vs the partial one? I guess aerodynamics are superior?
  5. I actually quite enjoy the Enviro 500, especially when the top front seats are available. As quiet as it gets, and you have nice views of the city! Other than that, I haven't been in Ottawa long enough to try anything holder than the hybrids so I am gonna abstain of commenting on older ones.
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  7. All Orion-Ikarus had the 2-piece exit doors except the 88xx (both original and ex-TTC) which had the 4-piece exit doors.
  8. 2002: The first units are purchased. (9 units) 2003: 13 units are purchase with same specs as the 2002 (except the A/C unit). 15 more are purchased with larger taillights and a new transmission. 2004: 17 more units are purchased. 2005: 17 more units are purchased. The destination signs all have a new design. 2006: 17 more units are purchased. 2007: The first 2 Hybrid units are purchased (The first ever built) with different style head lights. 14 more units are purchased with the old style head lights and with Voith transmissions. 2008: 19 17 more units are purchased. 2009: 10 more units are purchased (Last 2 gens). 15 more units are purchased (First 3rd gens) with new design front and rear. 2010: 27 more units are purchased. 2011: 7 more units are purchased with a new A/C unit. 2012: 7 more units are purchased with a new A/C unit. 26 articulated units are also purchased. 2013: 21 articulated units are purchased. 2014: 14 articulated units are purchased (First 4th gens) with a new design rear. 2015: 7 Hybrid units are purchased. The STO only buys Hybrid buses from this point on. 2016: The first Articulated-Hybrid units are purchased (9 units) with 7 more 40ft Hybrid units. 2017: 15 Articulated-Hybrid units are purchased and 15 40ft Hybrid units are purchased. 2018: 17 Hybrid are units purchased. 10 more units are purchased with a new design batter pack and a new driver'd window. 2019: 9 Hybrid units are purchased. 2020: 43 Hybrid units are purchased. This order features a full roof top and new destination signs.
  9. The STO Classics were iconic buses the company had spanning 4 decades. 1984: The STO purchases it's first 6 units built by GM. 1985: 9 more units are purchased. 1986: 4 more units are purchased. 1987: MCI becomes the new manufacturer for the Classic although none were purchased this year. 1988: The STO purchases it's first Classics built by MCI (8 units). The taillights also have a new design. 1989: 15 more units are purchased. 1990: 7 units are purchased with a larger rear window (2 units without a rear exit door) and 8 more units with Air-Conditioning and no rear windows. 1991: 29 more units are purchased. The CTCRO is renamed STO the same year. 1992: 23 more units are purchased. 1993: NovaBus becomes the new manufacturer for the Classic although none were purchased this year. 1994: The STO purchases it's first Classics built by NovaBus (26 units). A Sutrak A/C unit is added on the rooftop and the rear window makes it's return. 1995: 20 more units are purchased. 1996: 3 units are purchased with a narrow rear doors and all front-facing seats. 1997: 5 more units are purchased. The production of the Classic drew to a close the same year with the STO as the sole company to purchase A/C units. 2003: The Classics all begin starting their mid-life rebuilds. 2005: Second-Hand GM Classics are acquired from OC Transpo. 2008: Second-Hand GM Classics are acquired from RTC Quebec City. The Classics start to be reduced to rush-hour only around this timeline. 2010: The original GM Classics era comes to an end. 2012 The ex-RTC units are all retired. Marking an end to the GM Classics of the STO. 2014: 4 units are repainted into plain white and sport the new STO logo. Also late this year the STO acquires Second-Hand MCI Classics from Calgary Transit. 2015: The Calgary Transit units start to enter service. 2018: The original STO Classics era comes to an end. The last MCI Classic retires in March and the last NovaBus Classic retires in May. 2020: The STO Classic era comes to an end. With only one unit surviving into 2020 and retiring in February.
  10. The GM Classics all had the two pieces exit doors. The MCI & NovaBus Classics all had the four pieces exit doors.
  11. The 7xxxs GM Fishbowls all had single exit doors The 8xxxs GM Fishbowls all had double exit doors (80xxs had the push bars, 81xxs & 82xxs had the treadles)
  12. I voted for the wrong one. I was thinking about the early to mid 2000s Novas (early LFS models). Ottawa had a handful as well (not sure what happened to them). They seemed very spacious compared to any other bus model. The new Novas Ottawa received recently don't have that same openness for some reason.
  13. I started riding the bus in 2006, so I never had the chance to experience the Ikarus. Considering we use to keep our buses for 20-40 years, I always wondered why these were no longer in service after so few years. Now I know.
  14. If I am correct, 8530-8533 and 8870 were some of those retired in 1997, when used Orion-Ikarus III buses were delivered from the Toronto Transit Commission. With further retirements of those buses when New Flyer D60LFs entered service, as fair as I know, 8501, 8517, 8528-8529, 8743 and 8851 were some of those retired in 2002, along with the possibility of 8875-8899.
  15. My favourite were the 97-98 Orion Vs I loved the sound of the Detroit Diesel Series 50 engines.
  16. My Favourite are the Nova LFS Artic Hybrids. I love their sound and the start-stop system on the 17xx models.
  17. 8178 was able to make it across the border after all!
  18. 8545-8547 were retired in 2005. Of the twelve that were retired in the following two years, 8553 was one of the last to remain in service, if I am correct.
  19. So far 28 out of 43 units have been spotted in service. Units still to be spotted: 2001, 03-05, 12, 15, 17, 31, 33, 35, 38-39, 41 & 43.
  20. A few were spotted on the 417 but none have entered service yet.
  21. Has any of them been seen on the roads already? I would presume they are still going through acceptance or final fittings.
  22. I don't expect much to change from the already known plans for it with the same frequency as currently. Given that South Keys is one platform I would guess they'll have the two timetables "split apart" by a 3-4 minute gap so that north-south can use their respective platform, then Airport shuttle comes in afterwards and cabin swap. Turn around at Tunney's and Blair can be done is 4-5 minutes and even less so I guess that would be the way. 12 minutes service pattern would look something like this. I am not too sure how representative those times between sections are though. 0:00 Trains arrives Platform 1 and 2 (Southbound, Northbound) 1:30 End of dwell time 3:00 Clear of the switches (Airport Branch and Limebank) 3:30 Shuttle is allowed onto mainline 5:00 Shuttle arrives at Platform 1 or 2 8:30 End of turn-around and departure 10:00 Clear of the switches 10:30 Northbound train continues on tracks 12:00 Train arrives in Platform 1 and 2 Not sure how long the actual dwell times will be (went on the longer end), but given the longer trains and increased door count, I'd expect shorter dwell times than with the Lint even for similar traffic. Same for time to clear the south switches as they are about 600m from platform. All this to show it possible to do, but still "tight" for a 12 minute frequency with the known configuration so far. This also raises the question whether or not interlining of trains all the way to Bayview is even possible with the current alignment and not double-tracking: the current 12 minute service pattern seems to be the "lowest possible" on this section so there is no real increase in frequency possible without cutting frequencies south in half. I might be totally in the wrong there of course but we'll see!
  23. 8168, 8169 & 8170 have been delivered to St. Laurent garage. Edit: 8166 & 8167 also arrived last Friday. I forgot to add that info in.
  24. Shane's interview with Pat Scrimgeour gave us a better idea of what train frequencies will be post Stage 2. Big thanks to both of you for this informative video! According to Mr. Scrimgeour, the Confederation Line service will be divided as follows if we use a 3 minute rush-hour frequency: Trains heading west will split past Lincoln Fields, so a 3 minute frequency in the central section, Baseline and Moodie branches will be serviced every 6 minutes. In the morning rush-hour, all Baseline bound trains will leave from Trim, while half the Moodie bound trains will leave from Trim. The other half of Moodie bound trains will leave from Blair. So trains every 3 minutes to Blair and every 4.5 minutes to Trim. In the afternoon, all trains will head to Trim, so 3 minute frequency. Outside rush hour, all trains would start at Trim and split at Lincoln Fields. After 11 pm, Monday to Thursday, all trains from Trim will head to Baseline. Anyone heading to Moodie will transfer at Lincoln Fields to catch a "shuttle train" (similar to the Airport line). Frequency after 11 pm for both the main line and Moodie shuttle will run every 15 minutes. Of the 36 trains, 30 or 32 would be in service with 4 to 6 "spares" on any given day at rush hour, roughly matching the current, not too successful, ratio. Hopefully, train reliability will improve by then.
  25. Thank you David. Always great to get this type of information to share. The Stage 2 service plans are quite interesting and different than what I had previously read and seen elsewhere. It does sound like a good plan that doesn’t compromise too much or lead to too low service frequency intervals on the branches. I should have asked about Trillium Line but that totally slipped my mind. A question for the future.
  26. Drove by Moodie yesterday. Trees seemed to have been cleared and excavation started. Not very far along yet, but I'm sure it will be starting soon (depending on the Covid-19 impact). In the east end, they've started work to shift the eastbound highway lanes south. No impact on traffic yet. The main base so far seems to be Montreal, where they are doing major work to replace the overpass and build the new station. Some work seems to be going on around Jeanne d'Arc to reconfigure the on/off ramps. Nothing yet east of Jeanne d'Arc as far as I can tell (I get off at Tenth Line, so I haven't seen Trim in a few weeks).
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