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1976-1982 : GM New Look

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I cannot believe I missed the GM New Look. Such a iconic bus to OC Transpo and other transit agencies in North America. I would be remiss if I did not make a post about these buses.

Livery and aesthetics: These buses were the last to use the classic red stripe with silverside livery. I admittedly strongly dislike this livery (especially later on) since it just looks so dated now. I much prefer the revision of the red stripe livery (but with a white bottom instead, introduced in 2000) as I found it to be refreshing after them having the same livery for around 30 years or so. I also really like the maple leaf livery as it made the Fishbowls look more modern and fresh.

Engine: These buses came with a 181HP Detroit Diesel 6V71N engine that would later carry on to the GM Classics. Since the Fishbowls weighed less than the GM Classics, these buses accelerated faster and had a slightly higher top speed. The 6V71N engine was really reliable. What more has to be said?

Transmission: The 1976-1982 Fishbowls came with an Allison V730 transmission that was mechanical based. As these transmissions were not computerized, they were reliable and less likely to break down or otherwise have issues.

Riding Experience: These buses sounded great and it was always a pleasure to ride them. The only downside is no A/C but these buses had sliding windows so it compensated somewhat. Seats were great as usual!

Reliability: These buses just kept trucking on for a very long time without any issues. They literally lasted forever at OC! Their longevity shows that they were made to last a long time without any issues and still remain in decent condition. Some even managed to escape rebuild for at least 20 years or more, although most had received two rebuilds throughout their lifespan (once in the mid 1990s, once again in 2001-2003). For example, 7801 never received a rebuild in its lifespan and was retired in its original silverside livery in 2005! Some had needed refurbishment by the mid 1990s, but 12-14 years is still a long time without rebuild regardless! 

 

 

 

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Great resume of the nostalgic NewLook buses. Thank you.

If I remember correctly, most of the ones OC Transpo had were only 3 speed transmissions. Having lived in Orleans long ago, the climb up Duford Street was quite slow (you could walk faster).

An interesting note, I believe I have ridden an STO NewLook (perhaps it was 7901) and it actually had Air Conditioning on it. The air was being sent out by the vents in the sidewall, underneath the windows. There was no roof mounted unit so it must have been integrated in the rear.

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11 hours ago, Shane said:

Great resume of the nostalgic NewLook buses. Thank you.

If I remember correctly, most of the ones OC Transpo had were only 3 speed transmissions. Having lived in Orleans long ago, the climb up Duford Street was quite slow (you could walk faster).

An interesting note, I believe I have ridden an STO NewLook (perhaps it was 7901) and it actually had Air Conditioning on it. The air was being sent out by the vents in the sidewall, underneath the windows. There was no roof mounted unit so it must have been integrated in the rear.

All V730, V731, and VR731 transmissions were three speed.

I liked the New Looks, but I actually preferred the GM Classics over the fishbowls myself mainly due to the updated design. The 1984 GM Classics were basically the OC Transpo 1981-1982 New Looks but refreshed with a new design while still being mechanically the exact same bus (albeit with some very minor differences). The only places where these buses differ is in design such as lack of a complete rear window and two piece doors with treadles instead of four piece doors with treadles and full window on the 81xx-82xx fishbowls. 

Even the 1985 and 1987 Classics were very similar to the latest New Look buses, only difference being differently shaped seat handles on top of each seat, partial rear window instead of full, two piece exit doors, and V731 transmissions instead of the V730 (although being basically an electronically controlled version of the V730 anyway).

But I still respect the New Look for being a very reliable bus as well as serving Ottawa from 1969 until 2007!
 

 

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On 8/1/2019 at 2:01 AM, Shane said:

Great resume of the nostalgic NewLook buses. Thank you.

If I remember correctly, most of the ones OC Transpo had were only 3 speed transmissions. Having lived in Orleans long ago, the climb up Duford Street was quite slow (you could walk faster).

An interesting note, I believe I have ridden an STO NewLook (perhaps it was 7901) and it actually had Air Conditioning on it. The air was being sent out by the vents in the sidewall, underneath the windows. There was no roof mounted unit so it must have been integrated in the rear.

Sorry for the second reply, but I just realized that I forgot to mention that some earlier New Looks had either one or two speed transmissions.

In that case, the 1961-1971 buses had one speed (!) VH transmissions, whereas the 1974-1976 (only up to 7620) buses had two speed VH-9 transmissions. Not sure what the 1972-1973 buses had though. From the later 76xx buses on, OC started specifying three speed V730 transmissions.

Also the New Look served Ottawa from 1961-2007, not 1969-2007! I had forgotten that they preserved 6101.

 

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On 8/2/2019 at 7:33 PM, OC Transpo/STO Fan said:

Sorry for the second reply, but I just realized that I forgot to mention that some earlier New Looks had either one or two speed transmissions.

In that case, the 1961-1971 buses had one speed (!) VH transmissions, whereas the 1974-1976 (only up to 7620) buses had two speed VH-9 transmissions. Not sure what the 1972-1973 buses had though. From the later 76xx buses on, OC started specifying three speed V730 transmissions.

Also the New Look served Ottawa from 1961-2007, not 1969-2007! I had forgotten that they preserved 6101.

 

1960-2007. There were 60XX new looks

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3 hours ago, Loud-Invero said:

1960-2007. There were 60XX new looks

6006.jpg

Those were ex-TTC 1959-1960 fishbowls. brought in 1979. They were quickly retired in 1981 so they didn't last long at OC.

 

 

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