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5 minutes ago, DavidBellerive said:

Here it is: THE FINAL LIST!

I am also happy to report it means I have been on every single unit, as I was maintaining my list based on my rides.

1101 - 2016

1102 - 2017

1103 - 2019

1104 - 2016

1105 - 2019

1106 - 2019

1107 - 2017

1108 - 2018

1109 - 2019

1110 - 2017

1111 - 2018

1112 - 2018 

1113 - 2018

1114 - 2018

1115 - 2016

1116 - 2016

1117 - 2018

1118 - 2018

1119 - 2016

1120 - 2018

1121 - 2016

1122 - 2016

1123 - 2016

1124 - 2017

1125 - 2018

1126 - 2019

1127 - 2019

1128 - 2018

1129 - 2018

1130 - 2018

1131 - 2018

1132 - 2017

1133 - 2018

1134 - 2018

Does this mean that all trains and trainsets are now operational on Line 1?

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3 minutes ago, Norman Bates said:

Does this mean that all trains and trainsets are now operational on Line 1?

It simply means that each trainset was boarded by me, at least once, since the opening of Line 1. I didn’t track how many times I boarded each train as it would likely be skewed by the hours I ride.

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Don't know if this post fits in this thread, but I have to share what I saw on the line today...

Was sitting at Parliament station waiting for an east-bound train.  A woman was walking along the platform - it appeared she was wearing a City of Ottawa/OC Transpo employee ID, but it looked like she was just on her way to work, and not specifically on the platform as an O-Train ambassador.

As she walked by the "Bicycle loading zone" sticker on the floor, she stopped and looked down.  She bent down and ran her finger over the corner of the sticker and noticed that it was starting to curl up.  She furrowed her brow, reached into her purse and...pulled out a pair of scissors!  She then proceeded to cut the offending corner from the sticker, return the scissors to her bag, and continue on her way.

To me, it just shows the level of pride city/OC employees have in this train that they're taking the maintenance of the system into their own hands!!!

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1 hour ago, DavidBellerive said:

Here it is: THE FINAL LIST!

I am also happy to report it means I have been on every single unit, as I was maintaining my list based on my rides.

1101 - 2016

1102 - 2017

1103 - 2019

1104 - 2016

1105 - 2019

1106 - 2019

1107 - 2017

1108 - 2018

1109 - 2019

1110 - 2017

1111 - 2018

1112 - 2018 

1113 - 2018

1114 - 2018

1115 - 2016

1116 - 2016

1117 - 2018

1118 - 2018

1119 - 2016

1120 - 2018

1121 - 2016

1122 - 2016

1123 - 2016

1124 - 2017

1125 - 2018

1126 - 2019

1127 - 2019

1128 - 2018

1129 - 2018

1130 - 2018

1131 - 2018

1132 - 2017

1133 - 2018

1134 - 2018

All bow down..the King has been crowned.  That's a lot of work! But fun.

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10 hours ago, Herlsone said:

All bow down..the King has been crowned.  That's a lot of work! But fun.

It was a lot of fun, especially when having to “plan” how to get on specific sets. In all fairness, if I boarded the train only for commutes, no way I would have done it. Needed a lot of leisure rides, and swapping trains at different platforms!

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Just now, DavidBellerive said:

Needed a lot of leisure rides, and swapping trains at different platforms!

I work at home, so I will be doing the platform swapping.  The other day, I went to St Laurent mall from Rideau (where I live) and I went out on 1104...and came back on...you guessed it... 1104. Went to my checklist...had already ridden that train...   ? (Tom ponders new strategy, a day of train riding...)

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On 2019-09-28 at 9:54 AM, Herlsone said:

I work at home, so I will be doing the platform swapping.  The other day, I went to St Laurent mall from Rideau (where I live) and I went out on 1104...and came back on...you guessed it... 1104. Went to my checklist...had already ridden that train...   ? (Tom ponders new strategy, a day of train riding...)

If you do an actual day of spotting, the best strategy I found was to note down which trains were at the station I started at (going in both directions). This way, I kinda split the equipment in two: those after the first set, or after the second. Depending how many stations you go, you can ballpark when you should expect to see the second set, and therefore know you've seen at least 50% of all vehicles that day.

This is how I managed to do 1111, knowing where (approximately) it sat in the stack of trains running that day. Since they dont interline, you can almost always be sure they will be followed and preceeded by the same train, and how many trains will be before you see them on the other side.

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Interesting thing happened this evening at Rideau Station. We were on the concourse around 7:10 PM approximately. The westbound train to Tunney's was just departing and a man made an announcement on the PA to say "Attention, the next Westbound train is out of service"

Sure enough, 5 minutes later the train arrived, but did in fact have passengers on board. It stopped and everyone boarded as usual and away we went, with no issues.

Super confusing. Obviously we didn't stick around to see the next train go through so perhaps that one was out of service... we will never know.

Has anyone else experienced this kind of oddity?

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Something similar happened to us on Wednesday morning last week. We transferred at Blair to catch the train. Two trains were docked at the station. OC staff were pointing to the "eastbound" platform however, we wanted to take the "westbound" so that we could find a seat even if it meant waiting a little longer. Heading towards that train, I noticed on the board that it said the platform was closed (thus the train out of service), so we went onto the first train. We were able to find a seat. A minute later, the out of service train left the station at full speed. We left about 3 or 4 minutes later (standing room only by then, but not crush load until St-Laurent and/or Hurdman). 

Wondering if they are testing some of those other trains that weren't quite "ready for prime-time" in the hopes of proving 14 or 15 at rush-hour within the next little while.

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Addition at the end.

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Updated on the O-Line blog: straps are "coming soon".

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November 4, 2019

Coming soon! New strap hangers are on their way to help provide stability for customers standing on trains. More details to come.

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Experienced a full train this morning at Lyon. Tried to get on after what seemed to be a sizable amount of people disembarked without success. People were all crowded by the doors and blocking entry. The next train display board indicated another 15 minutes so since I was only going to Rideau, I walked. It is disappointing to see full trains. I am sure the situation isn't helped by people crowding by the doors but we shouldn't be seeing this only 2 months into the start of revenue service. I do feel bad for those farther out along the line, where they are exposed to the cold and wind.

One way to help address this is to add more trains. More are being assembled, and I sincerely hope that more get placed in service to reduce the load on the trains. People shouldn't be left behind. I was on the platform walking from one end down to see if I could manage to get on. There was no more than a handful of people waiting to get on, not even a crowd.

In all the times I've been to Montreal (which has been alot, during peak times and off-peak), only on the F1 Grand Prix weekend have I experienced full trains that I couldn't get on and had to wait for the following trains to be able to board. This is what the city needs to aim for. In the off-peak periods, things move quite well, trains are not full and there is always room to get on, if not to even get a seat. The service struggles in the peak periods, and while by the very definition, the loads are expected to be at their maximum, we should be able to handle this, and people shouldn't be consistently left behind, one two or more trains.

I am hopeful that the news yesterday of Peter Lauch taking over as CEO of RTM (Rideau Transit Maintenance) will help get things in order and start clearing the backlog of issues to move forward.

I also have read reports that the doors are all still automatically opening at all stations. I thought the plan was for that to continue only in the underground stations, with manual button activation required elsewhere, due to the cold and wanting to keep in the heat and warmth.

As far as service on Tuesday after the storm, the morning proceeded very well but the afternoon had a stuck train at Cyrville. While most in the media are quick to write off the first winter/snow test as a failure, it is important to distinguish what caused the issue. It was probably not weather or snow related, but a door issue/computer issue, etc. In other words, the breakdown could have been what is already being experienced for weeks now and not snow / weather related. So let's give the train some slack on that point, if nothing else. Let's not say "The train failed in the snow like we all assumed and knew it would". The morning went perfectly, the afternoon saw an issue probably not unlike what we have been seeing for weeks.

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Rode the train between 1-2pm today. The ERO was clearly making use of the traction brake control (manual control) as we entered Pimisi station heading westbound, and again departing the station heading towards Bayview.

Now since shortly after 3pm, seeing tweets from people saying the trains are operating around 10kph between Hurdman and Tremblay (eastbound), reasons unknown at this time.

 

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When i took the bus at rush hour and noticed crowding by doors but space in the bus itself I would push past the ignoramuses in the doorway. Got dirty looks but they all knew they were wrong. If I ever ride the train at rush hour I’ll do the same. Last Friday morning at 11 or so the operator had to announce at uOttawa “use all the doors to enter the train” as students were all trying to get in the door closest to the entrance way. Why can’t people use their heads???

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Regarding the slow travel time around Hurdman today. 

“There is no crack in the rail; a break occurred on a weld. The rail line was inspected by a rail specialist and trains can travel safely along the line at a reduced speed. Welding repairs are taking place this evening.” – Michael Morgan, Director, Rail Construction Program

Quote shared on twitter by CTV’s Graham Richardson

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Honestly I am getting tired of the cynicism about the LRT and how people conflate operational deficiencies with projection. If something leads to a slowdown, its the fault of the LRT being bad. However, as Ken said, there is a lot more factors than just how the train itself performs. I try to stay optimistic, but today kinda shows how the city / OC is responding to what has been going on.

Since the trains were operating slowly, OC clearly knew what was going on, so why wasn't there communications? Same for this morning with quite some delays. As Shane says, we are at the point we need the city to put the 14th and 15th train out. Comms seems to say that we are still running at 13 trains which is clearly not enough. weren't they supposed to launch 14 soonish in October?

For Peter Lauch, I don't really much of an opinion. I feel like he needed to be "pushed around" to actually come in front of city hall during construction, so I hope they are more proactive during the maintenance period. Luckily for the city, their leverage is a lot bigger nowadays: monthly maintenance penalties if service doesn't improve. That's 4-5 million dollars per month: it kills a bottom line for RTM. We'll see what is put forward by all parties, but I do hope they take it seriously.

Monday I spent quite a while on the LRT, and did the same on Tuesday night. Both days, doors were kept automatic at all stations, even with the cold. If you stay in the train at Tunney's or Blair for the turn around, you are gonna see how cold it can get. Props to the heating system working great when the doors are closed, but why are we still running in automatic even at midnight when it feels like -20?  It was a selling point of the dual-mode doors, even in the marketing!

Unlike most people, I ride the LRT past 9PM due to work schedule and my time on campus, so I never really got to experience a "peak nightmare". I have experience delays twice, but never to the extent that people have to endure almost every morning. Today I'll actually be taking the LRT from uOttawa to Tunneys during peak, and something tells me it is not going to be the best experience so far. I still believe the Confederation Line is an amazing LRT system, with QUITE a few teething issues, but once bugs are figured out, and more trains come online, it will be world-class for real. My impressions from the opening day remain mostly valid, and I will continue to vouch for the scheme. However, the city needs to convince the rest of the city it is worth investing billions in expanding it further.

And yes, people REALLY need to learn transit etiquette. Like doors, messaging about bags or other things need to be clearer. As for doors, I don't really know what else can be done at this point to "force" people into using the 14 doors. Cutting dwell time increases the risks of door jams, increasing them just leads to less efficient boarding as people dont feel the "rush" and red vests are not going to be there forever. After all, let's not forget that stations were not built to be attended 365 days a year. The problem at uOttawa is worsened by the fact that the access to the platform is right in the middle section of the train, so people always go for the shortest distance. It's not about being lazy or anything like that, it is just the habits of taking the most direct line to get somewhere. Plus, if you drop at Rideau, the best spot is the 4 doors in the middle cars, as you have the escalator towards both exits and dont need to go across the platform, a commute a lot of students do. Also there is a lot of dead-space on board, as people do not use it efficiently. People waiting right by the door, even though they are not exiting, blocking the path with their bags. If I want to stay close to a door cause I drop in, let's say, 2 stops, I go to the opposite side of the doors that will open, I make it easy for people to move... Also, when I hear people say platforms are crowded, I think our North American definition of crowding is far from what I actually consider crowded. Unsafe crowding would be at 4-5 people per sq.m, which I doubt we reached at any station. Sure it can be packed, but we are not in dangerous territory, just uncomfortable and leading to delays / full trains due to not enough frequency.

Last point in my "quasi-rant": open-air stations. Why is, all of a sudden, everyone so frustrated with them? The project ALWAYS had open-air station to let natural light and reduce maintenance / construction costs. Most Transitway stations are as open as their LRT successor, but people act like they lost comfort with the new system. I'd argue that most stations leave people less exposed to elements, and still remain a place that "in theory" one shouldnt have to wait forever at. I think this is not the part that deserves as much criticism as the poor reliability and management of many things, as the stations are "for the most part" designed to the functional standards used around the world for transit.

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